From my wife and I days of using NFP: A man's sperm can survive in a woman for up to seven days, IF the conditions (woman, diet, meds, ect.) are favorable which they may be up to seven days before ovulation. As one approaches the ovulation -sperm survivability increases... Ovulation happens over 24 hours, double ovulation (fraternal twins) over 48 hours. Can one identify those seven +two days of fertility? Yes one can see when they begin, and when they end. All other days the woman is infertile.
Now if a woman is raped and she treats treatment (cleansed of sperm) there is virtually no chance she would become pregnant, unless the rape happens on that one (or possibly 2) day(s) of ovulation!
If one can really accurately measure when a woman is fertile and when she is not -why are women using hormonal contraceptives? That is another discussion. NFP isn't rhythm (guessing) it's measurement, and all the powers of the this world are against it.
Most women haven’t been educated about their cycle, just given the Pill when they start to menstruate. I only learned about everything you wrote when I was trying to become pregnant at age 27. I wish I had known the facts much earlier. For all PP’s talk about “sex education” there is actually very little education on biological facts.
Yes I have seen more women ditch the Pill and more talk about the risks factors associated with it, which is promising. I’m not against the Pill on principle, but women should be better informed about it to make the best choice for them.
If children should be killed because they were conceived in unpleasant circumstances, then why not kill those who were born in a suboptimal setting, maybe a crappy hospital or an unapproved home birth? Why not kill those who had bad childhoods or got a poor education? The rape exception makes no sense.
I appreciate the unpleasantness of carrying a life that you didn't intend to create but this is not by any means the only thing in life that happens without our consent or intent. Our own life was forced on us by another without permission or consultation, and pretty much everything after follows the same pattern. If it is right to murder some children in adverse circumstances then it is right to murder all children in adverse circumstances, which is pretty much everybody.
"We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima," Stahl said. "And, you know, is the price worth it?"
"I think that is a very hard choice," Albright answered, "but the price, we think, the price is worth it."
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"First of all, the fence is not built like the Berlin Wall. It's a fence that we will be guarding on either side. Instead of entering Gaza, the way we did last week, we will tell the Palestinians that if a single missile is fired over the fence, we will fire 10 in response. And women and children will be killed, and houses will be destroyed. After the fifth such incident, Palestinian mothers won't allow their husbands to shoot Kassams, because they will know what's waiting for them.
Second of all, when 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it's going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day."
(1) Don’t try to turn the conversation. This is about abortion, not war. Two very different things. But if you do want to compare, let’s talk numbers. You say half a million children died in Iraq and let’s pretend that all 2.5 million people will die in Palestine (won’t actually be all, but for sake of argument let’s pretend it is). So, that’s about 3 million lives. Over 63 million lives have been lost to abortion since 1973. And that’s low estimate because not every state reports their abortion numbers including California and NY which are two large states that are very pro-abortion, and that’s not counting any illegal abortions. So we have 63million+ compared to 3 million. Not even close.
(2) While we should mourn the loss of any innocent life, you are comparing lives lost as a tragic consequence of war versus the intentional taking of life. The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children, but abortions sure are. So, not morally equivalent.
(3) What may be more morally equivalent to abortion in this situation would be the the Hamas and other terrorist ground that intentionally hide behind women and children and tell those people not to leave a war zone, knowing that these innocents will be killed. If you want to make a comparison from the Israel-Hamas war to abortion, let’s compare the right thing. Hamas not the IDF is closer to the moral equivalency of abortion doctors here.
Listen you Hasbara prat, shove your ridiculous propagandistic nonsense where the sun does not shine.
I was responding to the comment which begins " If children should be killed because they were conceived in unpleasant circumstances, then why not kill those who were born in a suboptimal setting, ...". A point which you and your ilk cannot comprehend because to you, :
2. Abodah Zara 26b:“Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children," That is a blatant lie.
Hamas did not kill women and children, it was the IDF and the Hannibal option, the indiscriminate firing from helicopters at people fleeing the scene in cars and on foot. The cars and surrounds have been turned to scrap and all the victims interred so that no forensic (honest) investigation can be carried out.
You lie and do not know the truth.
24. Nedarim 23b:“He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.”
"We have not been seeking peace for twenty-five years -- all declarations to that effect have been no more than coloured statements or deliberate lies. There is of course no assurance that we could have made peace with the Arabs if we had wanted to. However, it has to be heavily emphasized that we have not only made no attempts to seek peace, but have deliberately and with premeditation, sabotaged every possibility of doing so."
(Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)
So once again take your lying Hasbaric indoctrinated agitprop and try them on people who are either stupid or like you totally immoral.
First off the article is about bad statistics and blatant lying not just rape and unwanted pregnancy. Secondly it is not 'war' it is genocide. Thirdly bombing all hospitals and leaving infants to die of starvation in their incubators is "rude"?
Bombing 1,000 mosques is rude.
Instructing refugees from your bombing to go to specific 'camps' then bombing the women and children in those locations, that is rude.
Fourthly any one who in anyway supports those murderers is complicit in the slaughter.
Remember there will be a day (eternity) where you will be required to answer for your actions in this life.
But they aren’t even true facts. He’s taking two quotes out of context, ignoring the evidence that IDF goes out of its way at the risk to its own soldiers and civilians to try to avoid civilian casualties, and simply quoting an opinion of one Israeli who was critical of Israel’s war policies doesn’t prove that Israel wasn’t aiming for peace. It’s an opinion, not a fact.
The fact that you are employed to defend the horrors of Israel over the last 75 years makes you a mere lying propagandist. The Hasbara manual has been published dummy. The world knows your tricks.
Spend your Shekels just as Judas spent his.
The only people 'avoiding' harming civilians are sitting in jail as refuseniks.
Oh yes, I can't show pictures here but I have them. IDF tying Palestinian children to their 'jeeps' so that the other Palestinian children don't throw stones at the poor little soldiers. Using children as Human shields.
None of the quotes were taken "out of context" but when you can't deny the words simply claim that they mean something else, claim that the reader is too stupid to really understand what was said.
You get paid to troll the internet and defend the indefensible.
(1) No where in Avodah Zarah 26b does that say that. The quote is actually from Talmud Sofrim 15:10, and you are taking it out of context. When you look at the full passage, you see that R. Shimon ben Yochai was discussing a case of war, specially referencing the Exodus, when the Israelites had left Egypt but had not yet crossed the Red Sea. There were people who “feared God,” but let the Egyptian soldiers use their animals in battle against the Israelites. These “God-fearers” were the “good” Gentiles. R. Shimon was specifically taking about not sparing the lives of opposing soldiers when in battle, regardless of their character.
In addition, the Talmud in Sanhedrin Y 4:1 (22a), the Yerushalmi says, “Whoever destroys a life is considered as if he destroyed an entire world; and whoever saves a life is considered as if he saved an entire world.” The Torah’s 10 Commandments do not limit murder to “only Jews” but consider it a sin to murder ANY human, regardless of Jew or Gentile status.
(2) You are taking that quote from 1988 out of context. The quote is “We say to them from the heights of this mountain and from the perspective of thousands of years of history that they are like grasshoppers compared to us.'' And the “them” here is referring to Arab rioters. Palestine authorities were urging a general strike and clashed with Israel soldiers. In response to the threats of a violent riot or uprising, the Prime Minister, standing atop an accent West Bank castle, warned: “Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and other fortresses we are establishing will have his head smashed against the boulders and walls.'' These comments were not about all Palestinians in general, but a specific warning to those who were threatening violence.
(3) “The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children," That is a blatant lie.” NO. It’s the truth. IDF takes great care to limit the number of civilian casualties as much as possible, but Hamas continues to use women and children as human shields. This is well-known, and has been known for decades. Here’s one such video evidence of IDF calling off an air strike when civilians seemed to be in the area: https://open.substack.com/pub/idfspokesperson/p/wait-there-are-children-in-the-area?r=1gy565&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
We have plenty of more evidence that this is the case. And before you yell, “it’s biased because it’s from IDF!” I would urge you at actually WATCH the videos on this guy’s Substack. The evidence is undeniable.
If you are going to get your “information” from Arab and MSM propaganda sources, then what the heck are you doing on Substack?
(4) Hamas stopped people from leaving Gaza. Hamas tells women and children to stay. IDF warns people to flee before they bomb an area. How do explain all the weapons found under children’s beds, in children’s backpacks? How do you explain the fact that Hamas puts military centers near or under hospitals, mosques, and schools? None of this is new, they have been doing this for years and we have evidence for it.
(5) Just because one guy one time said that in his OPINION, Israel hasn’t been seeking peace doesn’t make that true. Israel has always been open to negotiating a two-state solution, and EVERY SINGLE time, Palestinians say no. Israel has given back over 90% of land acquired in defensive wars (which are legitimate ways of gaining land) in efforts to make peace. Israel releases many terrorists hostages in efforts to make peace. If Israel wants interested in peace, then why would it do any of these things? No, if Israel did not want peace, it would have annihilated Gaza a long time ago. The evidence stands on the side of Israel seeking peace, regardless of any one opinion. Leibowitz was still a Zionist, not based on religion grounds, but devalued the separation of church and state. He was critical of the way Israel dealt with certain wars and situation, but he always proposed a two-state solution, and endorsed a secular Zionism to “endeavor to liberate Jews from being ruled by the Gentiles." Every time Israel gives up something to try to maintain peace, a few years later they are meet with more terrorist attacks.
But the saying is true: “If Hamas lays down their weapons today, tomorrow there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons today, tomorrow there will be no Israel.”
(6) Trying to avoid civilian casualties and failing because of cowardly and corrupt tactics of the enemy is NOT morally equivalent to specifically targeting civilians and then gloating about it. By conflating these two things, you show yourself to be morally corrupt, not me.
You are a lying sack of ordure. The talmud has been written in several versions by several "Rabbi" and they use different names and headings. So you lie once again.
1) BS
2) Good BS but no it was about Palestinians and not about 'rioters'
3) I suggest you watch the videos of snipers deliberately shooting children in the legs with banana bullets and celebrating their accuracy in amputating the legs.
4) lying again. You tell 2 million people to leave their homes and walk into Egypt with nothing and the Egyptians (naturally) said only foreign passport holders can enter. Then you lying swine blame it on Hamas.
There is no end to your lies.
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" We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement.Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism."
(Yehoshafat Harkabi, 2 November 1973)
Yet again your own words show the perfidy of your actions.
6) Please explain how targeting and destroying dozens of hospitals with incubators and ICU patients is 'trying to avoid casualties'?
The whole world has been exposed to your atrocities, this time even though you have assassinated dozens of journalists you are exposed by the very the victims cell phones and the boasts of your soldiers.
From the President, at every level you scum boast of your intent to kill and remove all Palestinians and yet Hasbara such as you expect people to be like dogs and believe any thing that you say.
For 5,000 years the Jews have been banished and expunged from 200 regions and countries and when given a piece of land they set about (once again) stealing from their neighbours. It is not who you are, it is what you do.
Do not even think about giving lessons in Morality.
I have a copy of the Talmud and have actually read it. (I doubt that you have)
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THESE ARE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
“Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who who helps him in it, ought to die.” – Sanhedryn, 59a, Aboda Zora 8-6, Szagiga
Sanhedrin 59a:“A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
“It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world.” – Jektut Chadasz, 171, 3.
“To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.
Libbre David 37:“If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”
“The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses.” – Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.
“The decisions of the Talmud are the words of the living God. Jehovah Himself asks the opinion of the earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.”– Rabbi Menachem Commentary on Fifth Book
“It is more wicked to question the words of the rabbis than that of the Torah.” – Michna Sanhedryn 11:3.
Schabouth Hag. 6d:“Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1:“Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1:“Show no mercy to the Goyim.”
Sanhedrin 59a:“Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”
Baba Necia 114, 6:“The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:“Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348:“All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5:“How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”
Seph. Jp., 92, 1:“God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156:“When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”
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and finally, to return to rape and children
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Aboda Sarah 37a:“A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”
You must always read a passage within the context of the whole book— you can’t simply read one verse of the Talmud. That’s a sure fire way to read anything out-of-context. Like basic reading comprehension 101.
I am not Jewish, but from what I understand, most Rabbis understand that all such aggadic statements in rabbinic literature were written for their time (about 1,700 years ago), for only the halachic statements of chazal are obligatory for all generations. It’s pretty anachronistic to take any statement from a book written 1,700 years ago in a very particular context, and try applying it simplistically to a modern world, mindset, and culture. To do so would
inevitably lead to misunderstanding and misquoting just about everything there.
If you do wish to understand each and every statement in its original, then the intelligent person would study each quote properly in its complete chapter and context, and in the original Hebrew or Aramaic (or at least compare several translations and look up original language words as needed).
The first quote you gave about the “good Gentiles” shows that you did not do this. When looking at the context of the verse, we see that the Rabbi was speaking about a particular time and place within Jewish history, not referring to all Gentiles ever.
Remember also, that at the time the Talmud was being written, Jews were strongly trying to protect their religion from being influenced by pagan religious practices. The Torah warns about idol worship and syncretism a ton. So it makes sense that AT THAT time, the Jewish people wrote a lot against the “Gentiles.” Whether or not religious Jews should still follow that advice, I couldn’t say, but it appears most are not as worried about the influence of outside religion or religious practice as they once were commanded by God to be. But understanding that history helps you learn why the Jewish Rabbis of the Talmud wrote about being different and not having to do with Gentiles, as this is what the Torah taught for early Jewish peoples.
News Flash: Not all Zionists are religious. Many believe in the right for Israel to exists for secular reasons, not because of anything the Talmud or Torah says. So it doesn’t really matter that you take the Talmud out of context, because the Talmud is not the primary basis for the right for Jews to exist in Israel.
(2) No, the quote was clearly about Palestinian rioters and not about all Palestinians. The context shows that, which you seem to want to ignore, in addition to the history of Israel talking about its wars with the terrorist arms of Arabs, not all Arabs in general. Pro-Hamas apologists tend to make not such distinctions between military branch of Israel and Jewish civilians. Israel continues to talk about their current war as with Hamas, not all of Palestine. Yet the other side is calling for an intifada and the killing of all Jews. Given both the context and the history of statements, we know that this statement is not said in the spirit of “all Palestinians.”
(3) Another key difference. Hamas’s charter calls explicitly for the annihilation of Israel and the genocide of Jews. Israel’s founding documents on the other hand, ask Arabs to stay. Israel’s Declaration of Independence, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ONGOING WAR WITH THE ARAB NATIONS, reads, “We appeal, in the very midst of onslaught launched against us now for months, to the Arab inhabitants of the state of Israel, to preserve peace and participate in the up building of the state on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.”
(4) It is NOT a lie. Ask yourself: Why is Egypt denying passage for refugees to their Muslim brothers? Why isn’t Jordan or any other nation taking them in? Is it Israel’s responsibility? No. Palestinians ELECTED Hamas, and the overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of Hamas and their actions. They made their bed and now they are lying in it. We have video evidence of Hamas blocking safe passage routes with trucks. Why do you blame Israel for Egypt’s refusal to take refugees? If Palestinians are so poor and desperate, why isn’t Egypt taking them in despite not having passports? Why are conditions so poor in Gaza when so much humanitarian aid has been sent in? (Answer: Hamas steals it from the people and uses it to build tunnels and weapons.) Several years ago, Palestine was sent pipes for water infrastructure from foreign NGOs, and Hamas used them instead to build pipe bombs, took video of them doing it and bragged about it! We have tons of evidence that Hamas uses the mosques, hospitals, and schools for military bases— that’s why they are targeted by Israel. And per international law, Israel does not have to wait until all civilians are removed from such sites before attacking, they only need to show reasonable evidence that a site is being used militarily. Therefore, they have every right to target any place with evidence of military use— Israel goes the extra mile to try to get civilians to leave the area before they attack such sites, but Hamas tells them to stay. We HAVE DIRECT EVIDENCE of this. And you have the audacity to say “that’s not happening?”
(5) How does Palestine go from a population of 1,035,154 in 1930 to a population of over 2 million in Gaza alone, if genocide is happening? Riddle me that.
(6) Oh, so it seems you admit that the Jews are the actual indigenous people to the land. Good. Yes, they were displaced, but they did not steal land upon returning. They bought it. Jews went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap, and—most important—without tenants. (At this time land belonged to Ottoman Empire with mostly absent landlords). In 1920, David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as “the most important asset of the native population.” He insisted that “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” Instead, he advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement,” Ben-Gurion added, “should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.”
Jews only began to purchase cultivated land after buying all the uncultivated territory. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.
When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed, “They [the Jews] paid high prices for the land and, in addition, they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay.”
In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness for the British government and offered new plots to any Arabs who had been “dispossessed.” British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80% were ruled invalid by the government’s legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the government land offer.
By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 were acquired from the mandatory government, 30,000 were bought from various churches, and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin.31 Many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, and the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem, and s sold land to the Jews. As’ad el-Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of Palestine Liberation Organization chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews.
This evidence comes from:
Porath, 80, 84; See also Hillel Cohen, Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917–1948, (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008).
Hope Simpson Report, p. 51.
Avneri, pp. 149–158; Cohen, p. 37; based on the Report on Agricultural Development and Land Settlement in Palestine by Lewis French (December 1931, Supplementary; Report, April 1932) and material submitted to the Palestine Royal Commission.
Abraham Granott, The Land System in Palestine, (London: Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1952), p. 278.
Avneri, pp. 179–180, 224–25, 232–34; Porath (77), pp. 72–73; See also Hillel Cohen, Army of Shadows.
So the idea that the Jews came in and stole land is a blatant lie.
(1) Yes I am aware of what the Talmud is. And no what I said is not BS. The full text of ‘Abodah Zarah 26b is this:
“though they must not be cast in, but minim,
informers, and apostates may be cast in, and need not be brought up.' Whereupon R. Johanan remarked: I have been learning that the words, And so shalt thou do with every lost thing of thy brother's [thou mayest not hide thyself], are also applicable to an apostate, and you say he may be thrown down; leave out apostates! Could he not have answered that the one might apply to the kind of apostate who eats carrion meat to satisfy his appetite, and the other to an apostate who eats carrion meat to provoke? — In his opinion, an apostate eating carrion meat to provoke is the same as a min.
It has been stated: [In regard to the term] apostate there is a divergence of opinion between R. Aha and Rabina; one says that [he who eats forbidden food] to satisfy his appetite, is an apostate, but [he who does it] to provoke is a 'min'; while the other says that even [one who does it] to provoke is merely an apostate. — And who is a 'min'? — One who actually worships idols.
An objection was raised: If one eats a flea or a gnat he is an apostate. Now such a thing could only be done to provoke, and yet we are taught that he is merely an apostate! — Even in that case he may just be trying to see what a forbidden thing tastes like.
The Master said: 'They may be cast in and need not be brought up' — if they may be cast in need it be said that they need not be brought up? — Said R. Joseph b. Hama in the name of R. Shesheth: What is meant to convey is that if there was a step in the pit-wall, one may scrape it away, giving as a reason for doing so, the prevention of cattle being lured by the step to get unto the pit. Raba and R. Joseph both of them said: It means to convey that if there is a stone lying by the pit opening, one may cover the pit with it, saying that he does it for [the safety] of passing animals. Rabina said: It is meant to convey that if there is a ladder there, he may remove it, saying, I want it for getting my son down from a roof.
Our Rabbis taught: An Israelite may perform a circumcision on a heathen for the purpose of becoming a proselyte — thus excluding [the purpose of] removing a morana. But a heathen should not [be allowed to] perform circumcision on an Israelite, because he is liable to take his life. This is the opinion of R. Meir. The Sages said: A heathen may circumcise an Israelite, so long as others are standing by him, but not while he is on his own. R. Meir, however, said: Not even when others are standing by, for he may find occasion to let the knife slip and so sterilise him. Does then R. Meir hold the opinion that a heathen is not [to be allowed to circumcise]? But the opposite is proved by the following: In a town where there is no Jewish physician, but there is a physician who is a Cuthean as well as one who is an idolater, circumcision should be performed by the idolater but not by the Cuthean. This is the opinion of R. Meir. R. Judah, however, said: It should be performed by the Cuthean but not by the idolater?— Reverse [the names]: R. Meir holding that the Cuthean and not the idolater should circumcise, and R. Judah holding the idolater and not the Cuthean. Does then R. Judah hold that it is in order for an idolater to do so? Surely it has been taught: R. Judah said: Whence can it be deduced that circumcision performed by a heathen is invalid? From this verse, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant! — Indeed, do not reverse, but say that we are here dealing”
No where in this text is the quote “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
You say you have read the Talmud, but you can’t even get your quote with the right reference, so either you are lying about having read it, or your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking.
It is not "Bad Science" it is excellent propaganda.
Of course the methodology is nonsense, of course the numbers are ridiculous, of course there is no basis, no sources and no accountability.
The vast majority of people are no smarter than dogs.
“You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!"” -
Sean Connery
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The numbers will be quoted as 'fact' by dozens of students, news media and other fools with an article to write.
I read (50 years ago in college) an article by a 'Business' professor. He and a colleague had been hired during his college years by a prominent bookstore (remember them?) to calculate the shelf space to be allocated to the various categories of books. (Romance, Sci-fi, architecture et al), they had 6 weeks to do it. They needed to find out the percentage of each category to calculate the footage. They started with a couple of dozen big containers and worked their way through the books checking the story line/index//table of contents to determine which category each book fell into.
So they checked and dropped the book into the relevant container. After 4 weeks they had hardly dented the pile of books. So they just looked at the cover and title and threw them into a container, from the other side of the room.
With a week left they just counted the books in each container and and calculated the percentages (to 1 decimal place). Of course the size of the books and the number of copies for fast moving books had been ignored but they had a table of (about 50) book categories and gave it to the bookstore managers. Got paid and were happy.
Some 5 years later he noticed an article which was about reading and the article gave a table of the spread of books bought, by category, with his numbers (to 1 decimal place) as the relevant percentages of books which people read.
Dickman cries rape. Bankman fleeces billions. What next? Houseman breaks the mortgage industry? Ampman scams electric car buyers? Pilotman sabotages the ATC system?
'Some science was bad because of the stank of woke, some because of fractured philosophy, some because of crusty consensus, an uncountable set because of the reliance of scientists boasting of their wee Ps (“My correlation is causation!”).'
Dr. Briggs, we live in a RAPE CULTURE! That means that both CIS WOMEN and ESPECIALLY TRANSWOMEN are constantly getting raped all day every day. CONSERVATIVE estimates put the number at about 600 gorillion rapes PER YEAR. That means that if only ONE PERCENT of these WOMYN get pregnant, we will have 600 MILLION RAPE BABIES PER ANNUM. That's right, DR. Briggs, we are actually saving the US from a trebling of the population on a YEARLY basis by liberalizing abortion laws.
It makes me frustrated beyond belief that pro-abortion “researches” can get away with this crap. It happens all the time in the abortion “research” and if any research comes out in favor of abortion restrictions, the other side is only two quick to dismiss it with a slander of “bias” while being unable to admit their own bias! And of course, none of the accurate, good studies on abortion get press coverage, only the shoddy ones that fit the narrative that “abortion is good.”
Makes my blood boil…
Never occurred to Dickman that even while rape is horrible and needs to be absolutely condemned and felt with harshly, a majority of women who have children via rape do NOT love their child less, nor do they see their child as a “rapists baby” like the rest of the world seems quick to do. But that never crossed his mind, because pro-abortionists don’t actually care about rape, only use those tragic cases to push their own no-limit-abortion agenda.
Classic bad study. Thanks for your work. Given the number of women who are sterilized or who are using the pill and inter-uterine devices and other long-term contraceptives and the number of women who are not of childbearing age, and the available of rape protocols to prevent fertilization, I suspect the 5% figure is also too high...
I am surprised more often than not about the strangeness of "science" Mr Briggs comes across.
And I cannot emphasize enough how hilarious, troublesome - for everyone who takes E Bernays diabolical strategies seriously - and at the same time cleansing it is that this clownworld - THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - is being brought to light!
No, I am not a Muslim. I am from a Christian family and have a brother in the ministry. We are true christians, not happy clapper, born again, come the rapture, fuck everyone else nut jobs.
I have morals and ethics, one of which is not to slaughter innocents.
You want evidence? Here it is!!!
However Bad You Think Israel Is, It's Worse by Caitlin Johnstone
So it turns out the IDF has been running a Telegram channel featuring homemade snuff films in which Gazans are brutally murdered by Israeli forces, captioned with celebrations of the gore and pain therein like “Burning their mother… You won’t believe the video we got! You can hear their bones crunch.” The IDF had previously denied any association with the channel, but Haaretz now reports that it was directly run by an IDF psychological warfare unit.
This is one of those many, many times where Israel is so awful that at first you’re not sure what you’re looking at. You think you must be misreading the report. Then you read it again and go “Oh wow, that’s SO much worse than I would have guessed.”
However bad you think Israel is, you can always be sure that information will come out later that proves it’s even worse.
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I want for you whatever you want for the Palestinians.
When I say I want for you what you want for the Palestinians, I mean what it is that you really, truly want for them. Not what you pretend to want for the Palestinians. Not what you say you want for the Palestinians when you’re in polite company, or when the cameras are on you, or when you’re posting online under your real name, or when you’re speaking publicly in a language other than Hebrew.
I mean I want for you what you actually, truthfully want for the Palestinians, in your own private personal inner world. I hope you receive whatever that is.
May you receive for yourself whatever it is you want the Palestinians to receive. If you are a good person with good intentions, what I just said is a blessing of the highest order. I am wishing you life and liberty and health and happiness. I am wishing you peace and harmony and human rights. I am wishing you self-sovereignty. I am wishing you the ability to live a long life in whatever way you choose to live it.
If you are a sick person, a depraved person, a sociopathic person who has other intentions toward the Palestinians, then I have just cursed you in the worst way imaginable. I have willed that the universe give you the very last things you could possibly want for yourself. And I mean it sincerely, from the bottom of my heart.
I think that’s fair. I think it is entirely appropriate that people should receive for themselves what they want for others. I think the extent of your good will toward your fellow man should come round to you in full, and I think the extent of your ill will should as well.
If what I am saying makes you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps this would be a good time for you to re-evaluate what you want for the Palestinians. Perhaps this would be a good time to assess whether your attitude toward Palestinian people is one of integrity, one which offers others the same regard with which you yourself would want to be regarded. One which truly treats others as you want to be treated. And perhaps it would be a good time to make some changes in yourself accordingly.
If you do not wish to make those changes, then perhaps this would be a good time to sincerely examine why that is. If you do not believe Palestinians ought to receive the same treatment that you yourself believe you should receive, perhaps you should elucidate for yourself exactly why that is. Perhaps you should elucidate it out loud, out in the open, under your own name, like an authentic human being.
In any case I again repeat: I want for you what you want for the Palestinians. May you receive in this life exactly what it is that you want for the Palestinians, deep down in your heart of hearts, whatever that might be. May you receive it in full, and may you receive it soon.
I offer this to you in all sincerity, whatever that might mean for you.
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Palestine history did not begin on Oct 7 but in 1800s.
. Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am, after paying a visit to Palestine in 1891: "Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
You are the one who ignores mountains of evidence, ignores 'reality'.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves .. politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
(David Ben-Gurion, 1938)
"... it's utterly hypocritical for Israelis to wonder aloud why Palestinians don't pursue a non-violent strategy. One obvious reason is that, whenever they have, Israel brutally represses it."
(Norman G. Finkelstein, 11 September 2003)
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As I tell the happy-clappers, the rapture has already occurred, yet you are still here.
From my wife and I days of using NFP: A man's sperm can survive in a woman for up to seven days, IF the conditions (woman, diet, meds, ect.) are favorable which they may be up to seven days before ovulation. As one approaches the ovulation -sperm survivability increases... Ovulation happens over 24 hours, double ovulation (fraternal twins) over 48 hours. Can one identify those seven +two days of fertility? Yes one can see when they begin, and when they end. All other days the woman is infertile.
Now if a woman is raped and she treats treatment (cleansed of sperm) there is virtually no chance she would become pregnant, unless the rape happens on that one (or possibly 2) day(s) of ovulation!
If one can really accurately measure when a woman is fertile and when she is not -why are women using hormonal contraceptives? That is another discussion. NFP isn't rhythm (guessing) it's measurement, and all the powers of the this world are against it.
Last comment, execute the rapist, not the child.
Most women haven’t been educated about their cycle, just given the Pill when they start to menstruate. I only learned about everything you wrote when I was trying to become pregnant at age 27. I wish I had known the facts much earlier. For all PP’s talk about “sex education” there is actually very little education on biological facts.
"Facts" today, in most contexts, are raaacist.
Or transphobic, or homophobic, or mean, or bigoted, or oppressive.
Yup.
Luckily facts don’t care about wimpy woke feelings and neither do I.
Interestingly younger women (in the UK at least) appear to be ditching the Pill and friends
https://unherd.com/2024/01/why-are-women-ditching-the-pill/
Yes I have seen more women ditch the Pill and more talk about the risks factors associated with it, which is promising. I’m not against the Pill on principle, but women should be better informed about it to make the best choice for them.
NFP?
Natural family planning.
Mr. Dickman's nonconsensual penetration of the public discussion is unacceptable.
If children should be killed because they were conceived in unpleasant circumstances, then why not kill those who were born in a suboptimal setting, maybe a crappy hospital or an unapproved home birth? Why not kill those who had bad childhoods or got a poor education? The rape exception makes no sense.
I appreciate the unpleasantness of carrying a life that you didn't intend to create but this is not by any means the only thing in life that happens without our consent or intent. Our own life was forced on us by another without permission or consultation, and pretty much everything after follows the same pattern. If it is right to murder some children in adverse circumstances then it is right to murder all children in adverse circumstances, which is pretty much everybody.
Hey, the IDF and the Americans are trying.
"We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima," Stahl said. "And, you know, is the price worth it?"
"I think that is a very hard choice," Albright answered, "but the price, we think, the price is worth it."
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"First of all, the fence is not built like the Berlin Wall. It's a fence that we will be guarding on either side. Instead of entering Gaza, the way we did last week, we will tell the Palestinians that if a single missile is fired over the fence, we will fire 10 in response. And women and children will be killed, and houses will be destroyed. After the fifth such incident, Palestinian mothers won't allow their husbands to shoot Kassams, because they will know what's waiting for them.
Second of all, when 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it's going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day."
(Arnon (Soffer) Sofer, 10 May 2004)
(1) Don’t try to turn the conversation. This is about abortion, not war. Two very different things. But if you do want to compare, let’s talk numbers. You say half a million children died in Iraq and let’s pretend that all 2.5 million people will die in Palestine (won’t actually be all, but for sake of argument let’s pretend it is). So, that’s about 3 million lives. Over 63 million lives have been lost to abortion since 1973. And that’s low estimate because not every state reports their abortion numbers including California and NY which are two large states that are very pro-abortion, and that’s not counting any illegal abortions. So we have 63million+ compared to 3 million. Not even close.
(2) While we should mourn the loss of any innocent life, you are comparing lives lost as a tragic consequence of war versus the intentional taking of life. The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children, but abortions sure are. So, not morally equivalent.
(3) What may be more morally equivalent to abortion in this situation would be the the Hamas and other terrorist ground that intentionally hide behind women and children and tell those people not to leave a war zone, knowing that these innocents will be killed. If you want to make a comparison from the Israel-Hamas war to abortion, let’s compare the right thing. Hamas not the IDF is closer to the moral equivalency of abortion doctors here.
Listen you Hasbara prat, shove your ridiculous propagandistic nonsense where the sun does not shine.
I was responding to the comment which begins " If children should be killed because they were conceived in unpleasant circumstances, then why not kill those who were born in a suboptimal setting, ...". A point which you and your ilk cannot comprehend because to you, :
2. Abodah Zara 26b:“Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children," That is a blatant lie.
Hamas did not kill women and children, it was the IDF and the Hannibal option, the indiscriminate firing from helicopters at people fleeing the scene in cars and on foot. The cars and surrounds have been turned to scrap and all the victims interred so that no forensic (honest) investigation can be carried out.
You lie and do not know the truth.
24. Nedarim 23b:“He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.”
"We have not been seeking peace for twenty-five years -- all declarations to that effect have been no more than coloured statements or deliberate lies. There is of course no assurance that we could have made peace with the Arabs if we had wanted to. However, it has to be heavily emphasized that we have not only made no attempts to seek peace, but have deliberately and with premeditation, sabotaged every possibility of doing so."
(Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)
So once again take your lying Hasbaric indoctrinated agitprop and try them on people who are either stupid or like you totally immoral.
War is hell. And you're rude.
Neither of those obvious facts, however, has anything whatsoever to do with the issue of aborting babies.
First off the article is about bad statistics and blatant lying not just rape and unwanted pregnancy. Secondly it is not 'war' it is genocide. Thirdly bombing all hospitals and leaving infants to die of starvation in their incubators is "rude"?
Bombing 1,000 mosques is rude.
Instructing refugees from your bombing to go to specific 'camps' then bombing the women and children in those locations, that is rude.
Fourthly any one who in anyway supports those murderers is complicit in the slaughter.
Remember there will be a day (eternity) where you will be required to answer for your actions in this life.
Al Jazeera sez 22k Palestinian killed, out of 5m population. That's not genocide. You sound clueless or insincere when you claim it is.
War is ugly. It was a poor idea for Hamas to provoke this war; but that's little comfort to the civilians caught in the crossfire.
Do you condemn the actions of Hamas on October 7th?
But they aren’t even true facts. He’s taking two quotes out of context, ignoring the evidence that IDF goes out of its way at the risk to its own soldiers and civilians to try to avoid civilian casualties, and simply quoting an opinion of one Israeli who was critical of Israel’s war policies doesn’t prove that Israel wasn’t aiming for peace. It’s an opinion, not a fact.
You just can't help it can you?
The fact that you are employed to defend the horrors of Israel over the last 75 years makes you a mere lying propagandist. The Hasbara manual has been published dummy. The world knows your tricks.
Spend your Shekels just as Judas spent his.
The only people 'avoiding' harming civilians are sitting in jail as refuseniks.
Oh yes, I can't show pictures here but I have them. IDF tying Palestinian children to their 'jeeps' so that the other Palestinian children don't throw stones at the poor little soldiers. Using children as Human shields.
You make me vomit.
Lastly, maybe trying to do some more research before you just believe random quotes taken out of context. Makes you look ignorant.
None of the quotes were taken "out of context" but when you can't deny the words simply claim that they mean something else, claim that the reader is too stupid to really understand what was said.
You get paid to troll the internet and defend the indefensible.
I will call you out at every opportunity.
Do you condemn the acts of Hamas on October 7th?
Love that you think I’m somehow some paid Zionist troll! Hahahahaha
Nope, just a regular gal with a BRAIN and critical thinking skills to do my own research and see through the lies.
(1) No where in Avodah Zarah 26b does that say that. The quote is actually from Talmud Sofrim 15:10, and you are taking it out of context. When you look at the full passage, you see that R. Shimon ben Yochai was discussing a case of war, specially referencing the Exodus, when the Israelites had left Egypt but had not yet crossed the Red Sea. There were people who “feared God,” but let the Egyptian soldiers use their animals in battle against the Israelites. These “God-fearers” were the “good” Gentiles. R. Shimon was specifically taking about not sparing the lives of opposing soldiers when in battle, regardless of their character.
In addition, the Talmud in Sanhedrin Y 4:1 (22a), the Yerushalmi says, “Whoever destroys a life is considered as if he destroyed an entire world; and whoever saves a life is considered as if he saved an entire world.” The Torah’s 10 Commandments do not limit murder to “only Jews” but consider it a sin to murder ANY human, regardless of Jew or Gentile status.
(2) You are taking that quote from 1988 out of context. The quote is “We say to them from the heights of this mountain and from the perspective of thousands of years of history that they are like grasshoppers compared to us.'' And the “them” here is referring to Arab rioters. Palestine authorities were urging a general strike and clashed with Israel soldiers. In response to the threats of a violent riot or uprising, the Prime Minister, standing atop an accent West Bank castle, warned: “Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and other fortresses we are establishing will have his head smashed against the boulders and walls.'' These comments were not about all Palestinians in general, but a specific warning to those who were threatening violence.
(3) “The IDF and American troops are not trying to kill children," That is a blatant lie.” NO. It’s the truth. IDF takes great care to limit the number of civilian casualties as much as possible, but Hamas continues to use women and children as human shields. This is well-known, and has been known for decades. Here’s one such video evidence of IDF calling off an air strike when civilians seemed to be in the area: https://open.substack.com/pub/idfspokesperson/p/wait-there-are-children-in-the-area?r=1gy565&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
We have plenty of more evidence that this is the case. And before you yell, “it’s biased because it’s from IDF!” I would urge you at actually WATCH the videos on this guy’s Substack. The evidence is undeniable.
If you are going to get your “information” from Arab and MSM propaganda sources, then what the heck are you doing on Substack?
(4) Hamas stopped people from leaving Gaza. Hamas tells women and children to stay. IDF warns people to flee before they bomb an area. How do explain all the weapons found under children’s beds, in children’s backpacks? How do you explain the fact that Hamas puts military centers near or under hospitals, mosques, and schools? None of this is new, they have been doing this for years and we have evidence for it.
(5) Just because one guy one time said that in his OPINION, Israel hasn’t been seeking peace doesn’t make that true. Israel has always been open to negotiating a two-state solution, and EVERY SINGLE time, Palestinians say no. Israel has given back over 90% of land acquired in defensive wars (which are legitimate ways of gaining land) in efforts to make peace. Israel releases many terrorists hostages in efforts to make peace. If Israel wants interested in peace, then why would it do any of these things? No, if Israel did not want peace, it would have annihilated Gaza a long time ago. The evidence stands on the side of Israel seeking peace, regardless of any one opinion. Leibowitz was still a Zionist, not based on religion grounds, but devalued the separation of church and state. He was critical of the way Israel dealt with certain wars and situation, but he always proposed a two-state solution, and endorsed a secular Zionism to “endeavor to liberate Jews from being ruled by the Gentiles." Every time Israel gives up something to try to maintain peace, a few years later they are meet with more terrorist attacks.
But the saying is true: “If Hamas lays down their weapons today, tomorrow there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons today, tomorrow there will be no Israel.”
(6) Trying to avoid civilian casualties and failing because of cowardly and corrupt tactics of the enemy is NOT morally equivalent to specifically targeting civilians and then gloating about it. By conflating these two things, you show yourself to be morally corrupt, not me.
You are a lying sack of ordure. The talmud has been written in several versions by several "Rabbi" and they use different names and headings. So you lie once again.
1) BS
2) Good BS but no it was about Palestinians and not about 'rioters'
3) I suggest you watch the videos of snipers deliberately shooting children in the legs with banana bullets and celebrating their accuracy in amputating the legs.
4) lying again. You tell 2 million people to leave their homes and walk into Egypt with nothing and the Egyptians (naturally) said only foreign passport holders can enter. Then you lying swine blame it on Hamas.
There is no end to your lies.
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" We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement.Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism."
(Yehoshafat Harkabi, 2 November 1973)
Yet again your own words show the perfidy of your actions.
6) Please explain how targeting and destroying dozens of hospitals with incubators and ICU patients is 'trying to avoid casualties'?
The whole world has been exposed to your atrocities, this time even though you have assassinated dozens of journalists you are exposed by the very the victims cell phones and the boasts of your soldiers.
From the President, at every level you scum boast of your intent to kill and remove all Palestinians and yet Hasbara such as you expect people to be like dogs and believe any thing that you say.
For 5,000 years the Jews have been banished and expunged from 200 regions and countries and when given a piece of land they set about (once again) stealing from their neighbours. It is not who you are, it is what you do.
Do not even think about giving lessons in Morality.
I have a copy of the Talmud and have actually read it. (I doubt that you have)
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THESE ARE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
“Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who who helps him in it, ought to die.” – Sanhedryn, 59a, Aboda Zora 8-6, Szagiga
Sanhedrin 59a:“A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
“It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world.” – Jektut Chadasz, 171, 3.
“To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly.” – Libbre David 37.
Libbre David 37:“If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”
“The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses.” – Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.
“The decisions of the Talmud are the words of the living God. Jehovah Himself asks the opinion of the earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.”– Rabbi Menachem Commentary on Fifth Book
“It is more wicked to question the words of the rabbis than that of the Torah.” – Michna Sanhedryn 11:3.
Schabouth Hag. 6d:“Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1:“Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1:“Show no mercy to the Goyim.”
Sanhedrin 59a:“Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”
Baba Necia 114, 6:“The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:“Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348:“All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5:“How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”
Seph. Jp., 92, 1:“God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156:“When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”
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and finally, to return to rape and children
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Aboda Sarah 37a:“A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”
You must always read a passage within the context of the whole book— you can’t simply read one verse of the Talmud. That’s a sure fire way to read anything out-of-context. Like basic reading comprehension 101.
I am not Jewish, but from what I understand, most Rabbis understand that all such aggadic statements in rabbinic literature were written for their time (about 1,700 years ago), for only the halachic statements of chazal are obligatory for all generations. It’s pretty anachronistic to take any statement from a book written 1,700 years ago in a very particular context, and try applying it simplistically to a modern world, mindset, and culture. To do so would
inevitably lead to misunderstanding and misquoting just about everything there.
If you do wish to understand each and every statement in its original, then the intelligent person would study each quote properly in its complete chapter and context, and in the original Hebrew or Aramaic (or at least compare several translations and look up original language words as needed).
The first quote you gave about the “good Gentiles” shows that you did not do this. When looking at the context of the verse, we see that the Rabbi was speaking about a particular time and place within Jewish history, not referring to all Gentiles ever.
Remember also, that at the time the Talmud was being written, Jews were strongly trying to protect their religion from being influenced by pagan religious practices. The Torah warns about idol worship and syncretism a ton. So it makes sense that AT THAT time, the Jewish people wrote a lot against the “Gentiles.” Whether or not religious Jews should still follow that advice, I couldn’t say, but it appears most are not as worried about the influence of outside religion or religious practice as they once were commanded by God to be. But understanding that history helps you learn why the Jewish Rabbis of the Talmud wrote about being different and not having to do with Gentiles, as this is what the Torah taught for early Jewish peoples.
News Flash: Not all Zionists are religious. Many believe in the right for Israel to exists for secular reasons, not because of anything the Talmud or Torah says. So it doesn’t really matter that you take the Talmud out of context, because the Talmud is not the primary basis for the right for Jews to exist in Israel.
(2) No, the quote was clearly about Palestinian rioters and not about all Palestinians. The context shows that, which you seem to want to ignore, in addition to the history of Israel talking about its wars with the terrorist arms of Arabs, not all Arabs in general. Pro-Hamas apologists tend to make not such distinctions between military branch of Israel and Jewish civilians. Israel continues to talk about their current war as with Hamas, not all of Palestine. Yet the other side is calling for an intifada and the killing of all Jews. Given both the context and the history of statements, we know that this statement is not said in the spirit of “all Palestinians.”
(3) Another key difference. Hamas’s charter calls explicitly for the annihilation of Israel and the genocide of Jews. Israel’s founding documents on the other hand, ask Arabs to stay. Israel’s Declaration of Independence, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ONGOING WAR WITH THE ARAB NATIONS, reads, “We appeal, in the very midst of onslaught launched against us now for months, to the Arab inhabitants of the state of Israel, to preserve peace and participate in the up building of the state on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.”
(4) It is NOT a lie. Ask yourself: Why is Egypt denying passage for refugees to their Muslim brothers? Why isn’t Jordan or any other nation taking them in? Is it Israel’s responsibility? No. Palestinians ELECTED Hamas, and the overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of Hamas and their actions. They made their bed and now they are lying in it. We have video evidence of Hamas blocking safe passage routes with trucks. Why do you blame Israel for Egypt’s refusal to take refugees? If Palestinians are so poor and desperate, why isn’t Egypt taking them in despite not having passports? Why are conditions so poor in Gaza when so much humanitarian aid has been sent in? (Answer: Hamas steals it from the people and uses it to build tunnels and weapons.) Several years ago, Palestine was sent pipes for water infrastructure from foreign NGOs, and Hamas used them instead to build pipe bombs, took video of them doing it and bragged about it! We have tons of evidence that Hamas uses the mosques, hospitals, and schools for military bases— that’s why they are targeted by Israel. And per international law, Israel does not have to wait until all civilians are removed from such sites before attacking, they only need to show reasonable evidence that a site is being used militarily. Therefore, they have every right to target any place with evidence of military use— Israel goes the extra mile to try to get civilians to leave the area before they attack such sites, but Hamas tells them to stay. We HAVE DIRECT EVIDENCE of this. And you have the audacity to say “that’s not happening?”
(5) How does Palestine go from a population of 1,035,154 in 1930 to a population of over 2 million in Gaza alone, if genocide is happening? Riddle me that.
(6) Oh, so it seems you admit that the Jews are the actual indigenous people to the land. Good. Yes, they were displaced, but they did not steal land upon returning. They bought it. Jews went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap, and—most important—without tenants. (At this time land belonged to Ottoman Empire with mostly absent landlords). In 1920, David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as “the most important asset of the native population.” He insisted that “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” Instead, he advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement,” Ben-Gurion added, “should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.”
Jews only began to purchase cultivated land after buying all the uncultivated territory. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.
When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed, “They [the Jews] paid high prices for the land and, in addition, they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay.”
In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness for the British government and offered new plots to any Arabs who had been “dispossessed.” British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80% were ruled invalid by the government’s legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the government land offer.
By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 were acquired from the mandatory government, 30,000 were bought from various churches, and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin.31 Many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, and the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem, and s sold land to the Jews. As’ad el-Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of Palestine Liberation Organization chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews.
This evidence comes from:
Porath, 80, 84; See also Hillel Cohen, Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917–1948, (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008).
Hope Simpson Report, p. 51.
Avneri, pp. 149–158; Cohen, p. 37; based on the Report on Agricultural Development and Land Settlement in Palestine by Lewis French (December 1931, Supplementary; Report, April 1932) and material submitted to the Palestine Royal Commission.
Abraham Granott, The Land System in Palestine, (London: Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1952), p. 278.
Avneri, pp. 179–180, 224–25, 232–34; Porath (77), pp. 72–73; See also Hillel Cohen, Army of Shadows.
So the idea that the Jews came in and stole land is a blatant lie.
(1) Yes I am aware of what the Talmud is. And no what I said is not BS. The full text of ‘Abodah Zarah 26b is this:
“though they must not be cast in, but minim,
informers, and apostates may be cast in, and need not be brought up.' Whereupon R. Johanan remarked: I have been learning that the words, And so shalt thou do with every lost thing of thy brother's [thou mayest not hide thyself], are also applicable to an apostate, and you say he may be thrown down; leave out apostates! Could he not have answered that the one might apply to the kind of apostate who eats carrion meat to satisfy his appetite, and the other to an apostate who eats carrion meat to provoke? — In his opinion, an apostate eating carrion meat to provoke is the same as a min.
It has been stated: [In regard to the term] apostate there is a divergence of opinion between R. Aha and Rabina; one says that [he who eats forbidden food] to satisfy his appetite, is an apostate, but [he who does it] to provoke is a 'min'; while the other says that even [one who does it] to provoke is merely an apostate. — And who is a 'min'? — One who actually worships idols.
An objection was raised: If one eats a flea or a gnat he is an apostate. Now such a thing could only be done to provoke, and yet we are taught that he is merely an apostate! — Even in that case he may just be trying to see what a forbidden thing tastes like.
The Master said: 'They may be cast in and need not be brought up' — if they may be cast in need it be said that they need not be brought up? — Said R. Joseph b. Hama in the name of R. Shesheth: What is meant to convey is that if there was a step in the pit-wall, one may scrape it away, giving as a reason for doing so, the prevention of cattle being lured by the step to get unto the pit. Raba and R. Joseph both of them said: It means to convey that if there is a stone lying by the pit opening, one may cover the pit with it, saying that he does it for [the safety] of passing animals. Rabina said: It is meant to convey that if there is a ladder there, he may remove it, saying, I want it for getting my son down from a roof.
Our Rabbis taught: An Israelite may perform a circumcision on a heathen for the purpose of becoming a proselyte — thus excluding [the purpose of] removing a morana. But a heathen should not [be allowed to] perform circumcision on an Israelite, because he is liable to take his life. This is the opinion of R. Meir. The Sages said: A heathen may circumcise an Israelite, so long as others are standing by him, but not while he is on his own. R. Meir, however, said: Not even when others are standing by, for he may find occasion to let the knife slip and so sterilise him. Does then R. Meir hold the opinion that a heathen is not [to be allowed to circumcise]? But the opposite is proved by the following: In a town where there is no Jewish physician, but there is a physician who is a Cuthean as well as one who is an idolater, circumcision should be performed by the idolater but not by the Cuthean. This is the opinion of R. Meir. R. Judah, however, said: It should be performed by the Cuthean but not by the idolater?— Reverse [the names]: R. Meir holding that the Cuthean and not the idolater should circumcise, and R. Judah holding the idolater and not the Cuthean. Does then R. Judah hold that it is in order for an idolater to do so? Surely it has been taught: R. Judah said: Whence can it be deduced that circumcision performed by a heathen is invalid? From this verse, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant! — Indeed, do not reverse, but say that we are here dealing”
No where in this text is the quote “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
You say you have read the Talmud, but you can’t even get your quote with the right reference, so either you are lying about having read it, or your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking.
It is not "Bad Science" it is excellent propaganda.
Of course the methodology is nonsense, of course the numbers are ridiculous, of course there is no basis, no sources and no accountability.
The vast majority of people are no smarter than dogs.
“You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!"” -
Sean Connery
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The numbers will be quoted as 'fact' by dozens of students, news media and other fools with an article to write.
I read (50 years ago in college) an article by a 'Business' professor. He and a colleague had been hired during his college years by a prominent bookstore (remember them?) to calculate the shelf space to be allocated to the various categories of books. (Romance, Sci-fi, architecture et al), they had 6 weeks to do it. They needed to find out the percentage of each category to calculate the footage. They started with a couple of dozen big containers and worked their way through the books checking the story line/index//table of contents to determine which category each book fell into.
So they checked and dropped the book into the relevant container. After 4 weeks they had hardly dented the pile of books. So they just looked at the cover and title and threw them into a container, from the other side of the room.
With a week left they just counted the books in each container and and calculated the percentages (to 1 decimal place). Of course the size of the books and the number of copies for fast moving books had been ignored but they had a table of (about 50) book categories and gave it to the bookstore managers. Got paid and were happy.
Some 5 years later he noticed an article which was about reading and the article gave a table of the spread of books bought, by category, with his numbers (to 1 decimal place) as the relevant percentages of books which people read.
Dickman cries rape. Bankman fleeces billions. What next? Houseman breaks the mortgage industry? Ampman scams electric car buyers? Pilotman sabotages the ATC system?
Cartman brings back the horse and buggy.
Penman threw away his keyboard and computer.
Ah, a fine example of the circus that passes for "scientific research" today.
And far too typical.
Sad.
'Some science was bad because of the stank of woke, some because of fractured philosophy, some because of crusty consensus, an uncountable set because of the reliance of scientists boasting of their wee Ps (“My correlation is causation!”).'
This is a quote worth saving.
Briggs' greatest contribution to science - "wee Ps"
I'm starting to see the term in other stacks - often even used correctly.
Did he originate it? I've been reading about bad science for over a decade and I remember seeing it in a lot of places.
Dr. Briggs, we live in a RAPE CULTURE! That means that both CIS WOMEN and ESPECIALLY TRANSWOMEN are constantly getting raped all day every day. CONSERVATIVE estimates put the number at about 600 gorillion rapes PER YEAR. That means that if only ONE PERCENT of these WOMYN get pregnant, we will have 600 MILLION RAPE BABIES PER ANNUM. That's right, DR. Briggs, we are actually saving the US from a trebling of the population on a YEARLY basis by liberalizing abortion laws.
BIGOT
It makes me frustrated beyond belief that pro-abortion “researches” can get away with this crap. It happens all the time in the abortion “research” and if any research comes out in favor of abortion restrictions, the other side is only two quick to dismiss it with a slander of “bias” while being unable to admit their own bias! And of course, none of the accurate, good studies on abortion get press coverage, only the shoddy ones that fit the narrative that “abortion is good.”
Makes my blood boil…
Never occurred to Dickman that even while rape is horrible and needs to be absolutely condemned and felt with harshly, a majority of women who have children via rape do NOT love their child less, nor do they see their child as a “rapists baby” like the rest of the world seems quick to do. But that never crossed his mind, because pro-abortionists don’t actually care about rape, only use those tragic cases to push their own no-limit-abortion agenda.
Classic bad study. Thanks for your work. Given the number of women who are sterilized or who are using the pill and inter-uterine devices and other long-term contraceptives and the number of women who are not of childbearing age, and the available of rape protocols to prevent fertilization, I suspect the 5% figure is also too high...
I’ll only say this, dick Dickman before he dicks you.
I am surprised more often than not about the strangeness of "science" Mr Briggs comes across.
And I cannot emphasize enough how hilarious, troublesome - for everyone who takes E Bernays diabolical strategies seriously - and at the same time cleansing it is that this clownworld - THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN - is being brought to light!
Thank you!
'Employed by Planned Parenthood' should be a warning label to crumple up and trash the study.
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However Bad You Think Israel Is, It's Worse
CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
FEB 5
No, I am not a Muslim. I am from a Christian family and have a brother in the ministry. We are true christians, not happy clapper, born again, come the rapture, fuck everyone else nut jobs.
I have morals and ethics, one of which is not to slaughter innocents.
You want evidence? Here it is!!!
However Bad You Think Israel Is, It's Worse by Caitlin Johnstone
So it turns out the IDF has been running a Telegram channel featuring homemade snuff films in which Gazans are brutally murdered by Israeli forces, captioned with celebrations of the gore and pain therein like “Burning their mother… You won’t believe the video we got! You can hear their bones crunch.” The IDF had previously denied any association with the channel, but Haaretz now reports that it was directly run by an IDF psychological warfare unit.
This is one of those many, many times where Israel is so awful that at first you’re not sure what you’re looking at. You think you must be misreading the report. Then you read it again and go “Oh wow, that’s SO much worse than I would have guessed.”
However bad you think Israel is, you can always be sure that information will come out later that proves it’s even worse.
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I want for you whatever you want for the Palestinians.
When I say I want for you what you want for the Palestinians, I mean what it is that you really, truly want for them. Not what you pretend to want for the Palestinians. Not what you say you want for the Palestinians when you’re in polite company, or when the cameras are on you, or when you’re posting online under your real name, or when you’re speaking publicly in a language other than Hebrew.
I mean I want for you what you actually, truthfully want for the Palestinians, in your own private personal inner world. I hope you receive whatever that is.
May you receive for yourself whatever it is you want the Palestinians to receive. If you are a good person with good intentions, what I just said is a blessing of the highest order. I am wishing you life and liberty and health and happiness. I am wishing you peace and harmony and human rights. I am wishing you self-sovereignty. I am wishing you the ability to live a long life in whatever way you choose to live it.
If you are a sick person, a depraved person, a sociopathic person who has other intentions toward the Palestinians, then I have just cursed you in the worst way imaginable. I have willed that the universe give you the very last things you could possibly want for yourself. And I mean it sincerely, from the bottom of my heart.
I think that’s fair. I think it is entirely appropriate that people should receive for themselves what they want for others. I think the extent of your good will toward your fellow man should come round to you in full, and I think the extent of your ill will should as well.
If what I am saying makes you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps this would be a good time for you to re-evaluate what you want for the Palestinians. Perhaps this would be a good time to assess whether your attitude toward Palestinian people is one of integrity, one which offers others the same regard with which you yourself would want to be regarded. One which truly treats others as you want to be treated. And perhaps it would be a good time to make some changes in yourself accordingly.
If you do not wish to make those changes, then perhaps this would be a good time to sincerely examine why that is. If you do not believe Palestinians ought to receive the same treatment that you yourself believe you should receive, perhaps you should elucidate for yourself exactly why that is. Perhaps you should elucidate it out loud, out in the open, under your own name, like an authentic human being.
In any case I again repeat: I want for you what you want for the Palestinians. May you receive in this life exactly what it is that you want for the Palestinians, deep down in your heart of hearts, whatever that might be. May you receive it in full, and may you receive it soon.
I offer this to you in all sincerity, whatever that might mean for you.
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Palestine history did not begin on Oct 7 but in 1800s.
. Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am, after paying a visit to Palestine in 1891: "Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
You are the one who ignores mountains of evidence, ignores 'reality'.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves .. politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
(David Ben-Gurion, 1938)
"... it's utterly hypocritical for Israelis to wonder aloud why Palestinians don't pursue a non-violent strategy. One obvious reason is that, whenever they have, Israel brutally represses it."
(Norman G. Finkelstein, 11 September 2003)
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As I tell the happy-clappers, the rapture has already occurred, yet you are still here.
I also took this paper apart here - https://ombreolivier.substack.com/p/running-the-numbers-on-rape-and-pregnancy/
Thanks. Restacked.