In 1991 I took a flu shot due to family pressure. Within a week, I was as sick as I had ever been with a "flu". I don't need to do the math. It was done on me.
No (as in not one) medical procedure, including “safe and effective” vaccines, is without risk.
I have had experience with respiratory illnesses of varying severity over decades and know that, should I contract one, I’m in for a few unpleasant days.
With a vaccine, I don’t know what might go wrong or what adverse reactions I might suffer and if there’s any reduction in the risk of whatever it is they’re supposed to prevent in the first place.
I prefer to try to maintain my health through good personal practice and, should I fail, deal with the devil I know.
Yeah I don't know about any of that. I've never got a flu shot (not even once!). Very consistently the Science Trusters I know get it, and then feel like shit for a few days, then get the flu anyway around the same time I do.
There's not been a single year in the, what, 15 years they've been pushing flu shots, where I was more miserable than the flu shot takers I knew.
Sometimes anecdata is better than official data for making personal decisions.
If what we mean by "the flu" is the symptoms, not the underlying cause, then they seem to have got the flu twice. So in that sense the vaccine made it worse. But hey, it gets you off a couple extra days of work so maybe it's helping after all?
After 23 years I retired from the USAF in November 2005. While in, I got a mandatory flu shot every year. I also lost about a week to the "flu" in late January/early February every single year. I have not had a flu shot since the last one they made me take in 2005. I have had the flu only twice since then. Proof enough for me.
Never made it to Kadena, but did get to visit 35 different countries around the world. Several of them I'll be fine with never seeing again but most were enjoyable and eye opening. I was always amazed at how people in different places lived and how their views of the world differed from my assumptions. Made me really appreciate how important it is to not live within my own cemented certitudes and to really listen to what people are saying.
Well, another day another crumby paper. Read part of it. Kind of sloppy. Can't find the hazard ratios so I can't replicate their calculations. Don't trust those graphs. I did my own analysis of flu vaccine maybe 8 years ago. Got the data from the FDA biologics group submissions. Efficacy for flu is around 1%. They don't work. Partly because of timing. Who knows what strain is going to show up? Last time I got a flu shot I came down with the A type and a month later the B type. Stopped getting the vaccine after that and haven't been sick since. HAHAHA. It's a good trend.
I totally understand the analysis that the paper's conclusion is meaningless, not scientifically valid, even though I wish it was, and believe the conclusion to be generally true: Flu vaccines are less than worthless. But, I think it burnishes your credentials as a critic of bad science to analyze papers that do reach a conclusion we would agree with, and wish to be true.
Also, I am sure I remember that Cleveland Clinic has another paper on the link between sickness and the number of covid shots. That paper shows what you expect, more shots, more sickness. Again, this on the CC employees. That paper, I hope it is scientifically valid, made my day, confirming my intuitive suspicions - more poison, more problems.
"Women like testing and being sick more than men. Women like being vaxed more than men."
Hold on just a minute there with those assumptive, absolutist statements, Since the age of 10 1/2 after an adverse reaction to a vaxxine, I have never again had anything injected into my body and, aside from the occasional blood or urine test, have never been tested for anything. I hold it as a point of pride that I have been seldom ill when all about me are falling for the latest whatever.
Regarding the graphs: Let´s say that every blue dot is a gunshot, and the big square box is the side of a barn. We can then arrive at 100 percent accuracy in shots fired. Science!
I don't know but I instantly go deaf after the first instance of it while that person is talking. Sounding that stupid (to my ears) doesn't bear hearing.
Every Spring, just before Easter... a battle rages.. as a couple prepares to go out-
"Honey don't you need a coat?" Nope, it's 50F out, I'm fine. I have a hat.
"Are you sure you don't need a coat?" I'm sure.
"You might catch a cold." Nah.
"I have had a bit of a cold for a week." Oh, I think I may have had that too.
"Doesn't it bother you?" Nah.
"Why aren't you cold, I'm freezing?!"......
My temperature withstand is between 45F and 95F, your's as we know, is between 68.5F and 74.5F... some scientists postulate that is because in the past men would have had to hunt & fish &.... "Oh, shut up."
Since I stopped taking the flu shots and vaxxes in 2020, I have hardly been sick. The couple of illnesses I did have were very mild colds and got over them in days. So mild, that I never stopped working the whole time. My friends and family that have done the same as me report the same thing. Not really proof of anything, but maybe a signal.
Note that people who don't want vaccines now understand that they need religious and/or medical exemptions to avoid getting them. In considering correlation does not equal causation (unless and until all reasonable alternative causes are ruled out and sometimes not even then). you forgot to mention that those with religious and/or medical exemptions for influenza vaccination are also more likely to have obtained religious and/or medical exemptions for otherwise mandatory COVID vaccines.
So people who seek flu vaccines also seek testing. That’s a confounder. I hope this study can be repeated with regular testing of all participants, whether sick or not. Vaccines can suppress the immune system and make one more susceptible to infections. This isn’t well studied for obvious reasons. But it should be.
Back in the mid-80s I was working as a kind of grad-student intern for a summer at UGA for the head of the physics and astronomy department. (A great guy). We were studying a particular class of binary star systems that had identical anomalies in their light curves. At one point, I asked if I should do some kind of statistical analysis to see if any "trends" showed. The Director told me no, then made a joke about statistical analysis, noting that statistics consisted of "drawing trend lines that ignore 'outliers' - which is to say, anything that might disprove the hypothesis... people just wave away the data points that they don't like." I see nothing's changed in that regard.
Oh. Just recalled an even worse situation. 1976 at the university....swine flu outbreak. Get the vaccine get the vaccine the medical folks were screaming. So, I did just that. I got the swine flu vaccine and a week later I had the swine flu. I thought I was going to die. I had no idea you could get that sick from flu. 103-104 fever for a week. I was deathly ill for a month. It took another 4 months before I felt normal. After that I understood why flu kills the young and old. And the kicker was shortly after I got the vaccine they pulled it off the market because 50 people had died from it. Ugh!
In 1991 I took a flu shot due to family pressure. Within a week, I was as sick as I had ever been with a "flu". I don't need to do the math. It was done on me.
Similar story here.
No (as in not one) medical procedure, including “safe and effective” vaccines, is without risk.
I have had experience with respiratory illnesses of varying severity over decades and know that, should I contract one, I’m in for a few unpleasant days.
With a vaccine, I don’t know what might go wrong or what adverse reactions I might suffer and if there’s any reduction in the risk of whatever it is they’re supposed to prevent in the first place.
I prefer to try to maintain my health through good personal practice and, should I fail, deal with the devil I know.
Sounds like your family loves you to death.
It was the last time anyone ever asked me to do it. It was the last time any of them did it.
Those words, my friend, have been repeated a ZILLION times, throughout the whole entire history of mankind!
Yeah I don't know about any of that. I've never got a flu shot (not even once!). Very consistently the Science Trusters I know get it, and then feel like shit for a few days, then get the flu anyway around the same time I do.
There's not been a single year in the, what, 15 years they've been pushing flu shots, where I was more miserable than the flu shot takers I knew.
Sometimes anecdata is better than official data for making personal decisions.
If what we mean by "the flu" is the symptoms, not the underlying cause, then they seem to have got the flu twice. So in that sense the vaccine made it worse. But hey, it gets you off a couple extra days of work so maybe it's helping after all?
After 23 years I retired from the USAF in November 2005. While in, I got a mandatory flu shot every year. I also lost about a week to the "flu" in late January/early February every single year. I have not had a flu shot since the last one they made me take in 2005. I have had the flu only twice since then. Proof enough for me.
Ed, you and I went in at the same time. But I got out after 6. PCSed out from Kadena.
Never made it to Kadena, but did get to visit 35 different countries around the world. Several of them I'll be fine with never seeing again but most were enjoyable and eye opening. I was always amazed at how people in different places lived and how their views of the world differed from my assumptions. Made me really appreciate how important it is to not live within my own cemented certitudes and to really listen to what people are saying.
Morning William,
Well, another day another crumby paper. Read part of it. Kind of sloppy. Can't find the hazard ratios so I can't replicate their calculations. Don't trust those graphs. I did my own analysis of flu vaccine maybe 8 years ago. Got the data from the FDA biologics group submissions. Efficacy for flu is around 1%. They don't work. Partly because of timing. Who knows what strain is going to show up? Last time I got a flu shot I came down with the A type and a month later the B type. Stopped getting the vaccine after that and haven't been sick since. HAHAHA. It's a good trend.
I totally understand the analysis that the paper's conclusion is meaningless, not scientifically valid, even though I wish it was, and believe the conclusion to be generally true: Flu vaccines are less than worthless. But, I think it burnishes your credentials as a critic of bad science to analyze papers that do reach a conclusion we would agree with, and wish to be true.
Also, I am sure I remember that Cleveland Clinic has another paper on the link between sickness and the number of covid shots. That paper shows what you expect, more shots, more sickness. Again, this on the CC employees. That paper, I hope it is scientifically valid, made my day, confirming my intuitive suspicions - more poison, more problems.
It’s like ignoring rap “music” at a restaurant.
Classic line.
"Women like testing and being sick more than men. Women like being vaxed more than men."
Hold on just a minute there with those assumptive, absolutist statements, Since the age of 10 1/2 after an adverse reaction to a vaxxine, I have never again had anything injected into my body and, aside from the occasional blood or urine test, have never been tested for anything. I hold it as a point of pride that I have been seldom ill when all about me are falling for the latest whatever.
Regarding the graphs: Let´s say that every blue dot is a gunshot, and the big square box is the side of a barn. We can then arrive at 100 percent accuracy in shots fired. Science!
You mean “Sci-ENCE????” with extreme, authoritative uptalk and a pair of gigantic cat-eye glasses for additional emphasis
(Aside: When did uptalk become authoritative?)
I don't know but I instantly go deaf after the first instance of it while that person is talking. Sounding that stupid (to my ears) doesn't bear hearing.
Uptalk could date as far back as the 9th Century?
As to when it became a way to assert dominance, consider the 2005 study by Cheng and Warren?
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28708526
🙂
Every Spring, just before Easter... a battle rages.. as a couple prepares to go out-
"Honey don't you need a coat?" Nope, it's 50F out, I'm fine. I have a hat.
"Are you sure you don't need a coat?" I'm sure.
"You might catch a cold." Nah.
"I have had a bit of a cold for a week." Oh, I think I may have had that too.
"Doesn't it bother you?" Nah.
"Why aren't you cold, I'm freezing?!"......
My temperature withstand is between 45F and 95F, your's as we know, is between 68.5F and 74.5F... some scientists postulate that is because in the past men would have had to hunt & fish &.... "Oh, shut up."
Since I stopped taking the flu shots and vaxxes in 2020, I have hardly been sick. The couple of illnesses I did have were very mild colds and got over them in days. So mild, that I never stopped working the whole time. My friends and family that have done the same as me report the same thing. Not really proof of anything, but maybe a signal.
Note that people who don't want vaccines now understand that they need religious and/or medical exemptions to avoid getting them. In considering correlation does not equal causation (unless and until all reasonable alternative causes are ruled out and sometimes not even then). you forgot to mention that those with religious and/or medical exemptions for influenza vaccination are also more likely to have obtained religious and/or medical exemptions for otherwise mandatory COVID vaccines.
So people who seek flu vaccines also seek testing. That’s a confounder. I hope this study can be repeated with regular testing of all participants, whether sick or not. Vaccines can suppress the immune system and make one more susceptible to infections. This isn’t well studied for obvious reasons. But it should be.
well, sometimes i got the flu jab... i don't recall ever being tested and come up positive for the flu.
although i would question the methodology of such a test today along with the validation.
before covid i never would have.
regardless, i tended to get sick either the day before a 3 day holiday or the day after for some mysterious reason.
in grade school i was given the choice of going to school or going and getting a shot and then going to school.
Back in the mid-80s I was working as a kind of grad-student intern for a summer at UGA for the head of the physics and astronomy department. (A great guy). We were studying a particular class of binary star systems that had identical anomalies in their light curves. At one point, I asked if I should do some kind of statistical analysis to see if any "trends" showed. The Director told me no, then made a joke about statistical analysis, noting that statistics consisted of "drawing trend lines that ignore 'outliers' - which is to say, anything that might disprove the hypothesis... people just wave away the data points that they don't like." I see nothing's changed in that regard.
Great article!
Oh. Just recalled an even worse situation. 1976 at the university....swine flu outbreak. Get the vaccine get the vaccine the medical folks were screaming. So, I did just that. I got the swine flu vaccine and a week later I had the swine flu. I thought I was going to die. I had no idea you could get that sick from flu. 103-104 fever for a week. I was deathly ill for a month. It took another 4 months before I felt normal. After that I understood why flu kills the young and old. And the kicker was shortly after I got the vaccine they pulled it off the market because 50 people had died from it. Ugh!
Many such cases.